Home --> AJ's Story --> AJ's Story: Quotes From The Book A.J.'s Story -- Quotes From The Book “I believe Jessica probably 
          did throw up, but the cause wasn’t remorse – it was the 
          combination of committing murder with her bare hands on a belly full 
          of beer, and then having half of the PBSO pouring through her house 
          on a Sunday morning when she’s usually sleeping it off.” 
          – Scott Cupp “Although this child 
          – at least by the parents’ history – had exhibited 
          in the past unruly behavior, possibly aggressive behavior, the circumstances 
          of this case strongly suggest that this child’s death is the result 
          of physical child abuse with the terminal mechanism of death being submersion 
          or drowning. “I think Andrew will 
          be in reasonable shape as long as he has Mrs. Idrissi as a mother figure 
          in school. I will try to call a conference on Andrew in June to decide 
          whether or not he should remain with Jessica and David. They probably 
          won’t change and he will have to go to a foster home. I guess 
          Jessica just doesn’t like him. She tolerates him, and his father 
          just doesn’t care. No one cares but Mrs. Idrissi and me.” 
          – Dr. Zimmern “They [David and Jessica] 
          believe Andrew is irrevocably flawed because of his early years with 
          his biological mother. They feel that little can be done to change this. 
          Jessica’s father has stated to her, ‘His eyes are dead – 
          he has no soul.’ I urged them to believe that Andrew is an emotionally 
          disturbed child who can be helped – even cured – through 
          therapy and love and security.” – Dr. Zimmern “Andrew needs to know 
          that you care, and that you believe in him. Try not to always outsize 
          him. Find things that he can be praised for – he needs to feel 
          good about himself. When Andrew’s eyes go dead, he is withdrawing 
          from the world because he finds it all just too painful. His self-esteem 
          is now so low – try to build it up any way you can. Andrew is 
          a difficult person to live with because his past life was so bad. His 
          present habits are ones he developed to cope with life as it was. When 
          his life improves, he will shed those habits because they will no longer 
          be necessary.” – Dr. Zimmern “Andrew is afraid he 
          will be sent away to a foster home which he does not want. I believe 
          he willfully disobeys and forgets his chores, homework and jobs. It 
          must be his way of fighting back, his way of being noticed, his way 
          of asserting himself, his way of bolstering his self-esteem.” 
          – Dr. Zimmern “In many ways, Andrew’s 
          home is his prison.” – Dr. Zimmern “Jessica sees Andrew 
          as a four-year-old emotionally who she cannot control. Andrew frustrates 
          her – makes her angry. Jessica’s method of handling this 
          anger is a head-on ‘in-your-face,’ abrasive, verbal counter 
          attack with threats, which totally undermine Andrew’s security. 
          He panics inside, another failure, which further undermines his fragile 
          self-esteem. He fights back by disobedience and forgetfulness – 
          the usual ploy of helpless creatures.” – Dr. Zimmern “God was unkind to Andrew. 
          He gave him Ilene Logan and her lovers, followed by David and Jessica 
          Schwarz. No one can hurt him anymore. In the end, we all failed him. 
          I should have saved him; now I must live with my failure.” – 
          Dr. Zimmern CUPP: “You don’t 
          even know the day he died.” “It has been determined 
          by the grand jury, based on the evidence presented, that HRS is not 
          performing adequately to meet the public’s expectations to protect 
          the general welfare of children. “Management of the records 
          was inadequate….” “Andrew J. Schwarz’s 
          files had enough information in them to strongly suggest removing him 
          from the home. There appeared to be an overwhelming drive by HRS to 
          keep Andrew J. Schwarz with his natural father even when the Child Protection 
          Team, staff meetings, and other documented information showed this was 
          not in his best interest.” – Grand Jury regarding HRS “When various departments 
          pass requests back and forth to each other, there should be a structured 
          follow-up. The various action items resulting from staffing meetings 
          should be tracked to closure. This includes action items passed on to 
          other departments and counties in South Florida. Independent verification 
          and day-to-day supervision should ensure personnel are taking on their 
          assigned accountabilities. CASES SHOULD NOT BE PREMATURELY CLOSED BEFORE 
          ALL DEPARTMENTS HAVE COMPLETED THEIR ASSIGNED TASKS. “I owe it to every kid 
          who has ever been afraid to close his eyes at night or who has ever 
          had to crawl beneath the tightening grip of weak men and women who would 
          cause them harm. I owe it to every parent who would rather die for their 
          kids than inflict the physical or mental scars of wicked words and degrading 
          gestures – of closed fists and closed minds. I owe it to the public 
          at large because they are demanding accountability for AJ’s death. 
          I owe it to my family and friends. And I owe it to AJ. May this trial 
          earn him a grain of peace.” – Scott Cupp “Mrs. Idrissi will tell 
          you that that meeting left an indelible impression on her. “Andrew said nothing. 
          His little eyes never left the floor. He was humiliated.” – 
          Mary Idrissi “So when a teacher sees 
          this off-task behavior going on, she shortens her lesson and checks 
          them constantly. So if we were running spelling words six times each, 
          I would have Andrew write them three times and let him come to my desk 
          and let me see what he’d done well. This was the manner in my 
          classroom. Andrew came to my desk; he would show me his words. I gave 
          him many, many loves, hugs and squeezes, and he responded to that and 
          he completed his work. He was a very bright boy.” – Mary 
          Idrissi “… The children 
          don’t go just once down to the holiday shop; they can go several 
          times. If they keep bringing money in, they are permitted to go. Well, 
          the two weeks was coming toward an end. Andrew had not been – 
          as yet – and so I gave him two dollars to go down. And I told 
          him that he could go and purchase anything he wanted for himself – 
          didn’t have to be a gift for home. Just with two dollars, you 
          can buy a lot of nice little things. And what he bought was all for 
          me. It was nothing for himself and I always treasured that – this 
          was characteristic of Andrew.” – Mary Idrissi “’Mrs. I., I love 
          you taking things away. It really brings the point home that no one 
          is kidding as far as him being late. He had twenty-five minutes to get 
          to school, so him being late – it took him fifty minutes to get 
          to school? No way. And he’s grounded for the weekend and if he 
          is late again, well, let’s just say he’s going to cry a 
          lot. He had 3 ½, 4 hours last night and he still didn’t 
          finish his homework. Like being late, he just doesn’t care and 
          does what he wants. I look forward to him doing his handwriting over. 
          I’ve tried. He hasn’t done one thing about it. Boy, this 
          is really working out and I’m sorry I didn’t get along with 
          you sooner. Sorry. Thanks. Oh, yes, we’ve gotten to the point 
          with AJ, since he keeps doing the same things wrong over and over – 
          we’re talking years – he gets no breaks, no rewards when 
          he knows better. He loves to play games with people’s heads. He’s 
          never gotten one over on me; dared his dad once or twice – me, 
          never – and I won’t let that change. Beware of lies. Today 
          he left the house at seven-thirty. Unless he’s bleeding, no reason 
          on earth he should be late – none.’” – Mary 
          Idrissi, reading a letter that Jessica Schwarz wrote to her. “…In January, 
          I called Child Protection Services, but when I felt that they didn’t 
          do anything, I didn’t call anymore. I felt nothing was being done 
          and I had done my part.” – Anne Steinhauer “A guardian ad litem 
          is a volunteer who is appointed by judges in various courts to aid and 
          assist any child who is going through the legal process.” – 
          Dr. Zimmern’s definition of a guardian ad litem “The overwhelming thing 
          I remember about Richard was his kindness – his humanity. Easily 
          loved. When he broke down on the stand – briefly – I wanted 
          to leave the courtroom. It was horrible! I wanted to scream. He loved 
          AJ.” – Scott Cupp “’Andrew must 
          be treated again with imipramine, as suggested by Dr. Uttley, and HRS 
          continue supervising this family, the court review this case in six 
          months, the guardian ad litem continue to monitor this case.’” 
          – Dr. Zimmern “I certainly thought 
          that the child needed to be removed from that home. It was my opinion 
          that the child was a targeted child, he was being abused, and that the 
          best thing we could do to protect him was to get him out of there. BROWN: “What are you 
          looking for when you visit with a child?” 
 “Anger, disgust, utter 
          frustration. If ever [in my opinion] one person in that inept agency 
          personified their overall incompetence, it was her – only she 
          was incompetence with attitude.” – Scott Cupp, describing 
          HRS worker Sandra Warren “I may not be able to 
          clearly define evil for you – not as a black-and-white statement 
          lifted from the pages of a dictionary – but I can say without 
          equivocation that I know it when I see it, and Jessica Schwarz will 
          forever personify it in my eyes.” – Scott Cupp “’Okay,’ 
          I told myself, ‘so you may not be able to call his name or reach 
          out to him [in the dream] – but you can make sure his voice is 
          heard.” – Scott Cupp CUPP: “You were taught 
          right from wrong?” CUPP: “So, Mrs. Idrissi 
          – who has thirty children to educate – has the audacity 
          to single your child out and spoil him, right? That’s what she 
          was doing?” CUPP: “You didn’t 
          laugh at him in front of (Candace Ahern) and call him ‘shit for 
          brains?’” “This boy couldn’t 
          tell anybody anything. He had nowhere to run – nowhere to go. 
          His whole life was a living hell.” – Joseph Marx “I had a recurring thought 
          and it was this: That in today’s society we’ve come to accept 
          violence as a way of life. We just accept that’s the way it is. “Emotional abuse is 
          just as deliberate as physical abuse. “…And if you remember 
          Dr. Rahaim’s testimony, what he was stating is that therapy – 
          family therapy – individual therapy – is not a cure-all. 
          There are times when what you need to do is take the kid out of the 
          home.” – Scott Cupp “How do Mr. Marx and 
          I show you bruises? This case isn’t about bruises. You’re 
          not going to hear one charge that AJ was beaten. His psyche was battered, 
          bruised – ripped to shreds. How do I come in here and show you 
          a picture of this kid’s soul? How do I show you a picture of his 
          spirit? “This is about that!” – Scott Cupp as he pointed to Jessica Citing the same abuses perpetrated 
          on AJ: “I would be lying if 
          I didn’t admit my personal satisfaction in Judge Martin allowing 
          me to make Benz stand and demonstrate how that nameless, faceless police 
          detective yelled at him during the meeting.” – Scott Cupp After Judge Martin found Jessica 
          guilty of murder, Scott Cupp laid his head on the table. Later, he told 
          reporters: “Maybe now, AJ has some peace.” “Do them (Jessica’s 
          daughters) a favor and put her in jail and keep her there as long as 
          possible. Protect these children from her.” – Joseph Marx “One can only imagine 
          what the infraction of the rules might have been that so aroused Jessica’s 
          anger and rage that she could beat a child nearly to death with her 
          bare hands and fists. And then hold the slender ten-year-old boy’s 
          head underwater until he stopped struggling for his very life.” 
          – Carol Rothgeb “As sad and demeaning 
          as AJ’s life was – he struggled to survive.” – 
          Carol Rothgeb “And what if AJ had 
          been removed from Jessica and David’s house and placed in a loving 
          foster home and received the help – and hugs – he so desperately 
          needed? What if just one more neighbor would have called the authorities? 
          So many ‘what ifs’ and ‘if onlys….’” 
          – Carol Rothgeb “I always found it curious 
          that in the aftermath of the convictions and sentences – amid 
          all the many words written and spoken about AJ, Jessica, and HRS, the 
          state agency responsible for his care at the time of his murder – 
          no one other than myself speculated about what AJ would have been like 
          had he survived to become a young man. No one.” – Scott 
          Cupp “Child abuse is just 
          too painful a subject. Yes, it is. It’s the kind of pain that 
          creeps into your dreams. It’s the kind of pain that makes you 
          weak. It’s the kind of pain we in America persist in refusing 
          to deal with.” – Scott Cupp “Maybe what AJ touches 
          in us are thoughts that, for reasons largely unknown to us, we are ashamed 
          of.” – Scott Cupp “The child protective 
          system in Florida, as I suspect is the case in most states, has been 
          broken for decades. Children are being murdered and sexually and physically 
          abused, and this, too, has been so for decades. Nothing is changing.” 
          – Scott Cupp “The law’s overemphasis 
          on the biological link between parent and child should more easily give 
          way when it is clearly established that parents have abused their children. 
          This will, in the long run, strengthen the concept of family. The law 
          must begin sincerely to apply to ‘the best interest of the child’ 
          standard.” – Scott Cupp “When children are finally 
          removed from the people who have harmed them, why are they placed within 
          a system that too often has been shown not able to do much better? The 
          foster care system is broken. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Newspaper 
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